Rick's Q & A Call on February 25

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Last Sunday I asked my husband if he could tell me if he would ever sleep with someone (in our case same sex) again.  His reply was "Not while we are married."  I felt this reply meant that I am the only thing preventing him from being with a man again...in other words there are a couple of ways this could go...he could come in one day and say "I want a divorce. My sexual cravings for the same sex are more powerful than our relationship." OR "I can't make that promise because I don't know what would happen if you died." so....does that mean he is still unsure of his sexual preference?  I feel like our situation is a ticking time bomb.  I have asked him since our Jan EMS weekend these things: 1.) find 1 or 2 accountability partners that he can meet/speak with weekly  2.) find and work a 12 step program (SA probably would be helpful) 3.) create a solid recovery plan/Strategy (or some call it a Relapse Plan).  These represent tangible demonstrations to me that he is truly committed to the process of restoring our marriage.  I feel fairly certain relapse WILL occur if he relies soley on his sheer will.  I do  not feel like this will be all he needs to do to prevent him from sleeping with a man again.  We both feel very depleted and defeated.  I have expressed to him my specific needs (outlined above) and my need for constant (many times in a day, many days in a week, many months in a year) for his assurance of his love and committment to our marriage.  I'm insecure...and had those strong tendancies before this affiar.  Naturally they have intensified so greatly since his multiple affiars over 5 years (D Day began in Oct 12 and dribbled in through Dec 2012).  I am a wreck and I KNOW that.  whenever we try to talk about my feelings or needs he always brings it back to being about him.  I'm at a breaking point.  I asked him last night if we could just for ONCE talk about me...how he manages to make himself the victim is beyond me.  The image of him having sex with a man is almost too overwhelming for me.  I don't understand how he can just turn that switch on and off.  I am truly lost...and ask for your help. 

In addition to the above mentioned issues I found out that our close friends (been married for 25 years) and I felt they were safe and healthy choices for us to pursue couple activities with...I found out that while we were separated and he was renting their poolhouse that during a dinner the three of them had together that she (my confident) told him (my husband) everything I said to her...she told him that he could plug their poolhouse landline in and make any calls that he needed...enabling/encouraging his same sex affair.  I checked this out with him as far asif she  was she telling him that in case he needed a phone (which he did not as he has his own) or was she saying it to provide him with a telephone line that I would not be aware of.  It was the latter...she was indeed helping him keep his secret.  This is a very close friend of mine...I feel like if one more person betrays me I'll...I don't know what I'll do.  I'm not sure how to proceed with her and would like your advice on that as well.  Thank you Rick.

Relapse Scenarios

In week 10 of the EMSO, you state two scenarios where it may be wise for the hurt spouse to consider leaving the relationship. My spouse has had several relapses considering she continued a relationship with an ex-boyfriend after we married, seven years later had a short affair with a neighbor and then again with the same person 21 years later. She continues to say these behaviors were not a problem because she was not sincere in her vows. When the last affair ended with him breaking off, she continued to try to rebuild that relationship instead of ours for a year until he married his other girlfriend of 4+ years. Ever since the break up she has been ambivalent even to the point of telling me we would never be intimate again. I have been diligently trying to rebuild our marriage and have made it my #1 focus as it has always been, but even more focused on her needs. She continues to demonstrate ambivalence by lackluster participation in the EMSO program. She procrastinates and then feels pressured to get the work done before the call each week, often enrupting in anger if I suggest we watch the video. Should I be more seriously considering exiting the relationship and marriage, or continue to try to salvage our marriage and maintain our family. She claims things are better between us, but I feel very little change on her part to empathize with my pain or consider my needs for safety and intimacy.

Recovery Recoil

My husband and I are currently enrolled in the EMS Online and about 3 months out from "D" Day. When I first learned of his affair and he saw how deeply I was wounded he was very caring toward me, empathic, and after many, many nights of talking and sharing he eventually admitted to many of the things I had learned and even disclosed other things that I was completely unaware of that had been going on for the past year and a half. He agreed that he would do whatever it took to help me heal, work on our marriage, and apologized and admitted his wrongs. I know he feels very guilty about his affair, his behaviors (drugs and gambling) and the affect that it had on our marriage and our family. I had found AR via the Internet and was contacted and we agreed to take the course. Now, after the first session which he participated in and listening to Week 1, as we began the teleconference he became furious and left the house. He said he was not going to participate, was not going to talk to anyone other than our counselors (which we have only been to 4 sessions and due to financial difficulties have been unable to return), made some very ugly remarks about others indescretions, and just was downright ugly. So, here I sit wondering what to do...4 counseling sessions helped but we are no where near where we need to be, he feels like we have talked this thing to death, he says he is tired of talking about it and even accused me of continuing to throw it in his face. I do not try to throw things in his face, however, I still have questions about things and now he has shut down. How can I encourage him to continue this healing process? I feel like his actions last night lead me to wonder how committed he is to this marriage, how committed he is to helping both of us heal, and that just maybe there is more to his story than he has shared. I have a gut feeling that he hasn't told me the whole truth about his affair or his true feelings toward his AP toward the end but I believe he will never share all of it. He says it is done, he can't change it, and he HATES talking about her or anything relating to her. He wants to put that portion of his life out of his mind but he doesn't seem to understand that it is not quite that easy for me. Any advice you may have, I am willing to listen.

Priorities???

My husband and I are about to hit the anniversary of our d day...we are in EMS online and were in counseling from April to December of last year. I am learning we have different styles of dealing with this process but he (the unfaithful) still gets defensive and shuts down when I want to talk about it. He doesn't want to talk about our homework, thinks I am trying to get him to do his the way I want him to...I just want to feel like we are doing this together and not separately. He is a perfectionist, an avoidant personality, and is in MAJOR shame and guilt. His primary focus since I caught the affair has been finding a new job because he is so miserable at work and feels like he is not the provider he should be for our family. He says it affects everything in his life...especially interacting with me and our kids. It seems like he is looking for something to make him feel "alive" again since he isn't with his AP (which was a total of 6 months. Texting, emailing and together twice...but he "fell in love") Am I wrong to feel he still doesn't get it? I know I don't understand the male point of view of being the provider but what about my emotional needs? I would live in a tent if he would meet my emotional needs. For the first time in counseling and then last week he said he realized how they were needs if mine. If he knows it's a need, why wouldn't he try to meet them? He is so so sincere and honest in class but that is when I hear everything. He doesn't like to Tell me personally. Says it is safer in class. (This has been out history for 17 years). He said in class how selfish he has been all of our marriage but then says in anger to me that "everything in our marriage is always about you, when do I get to so something for me!?" I am so confused and it makes me wonder if we will be able to be on the same page. I know my issue is being the fixer and I wonder now if I don't have some codependcy issues too. How do we heal when his priority is his job and providing for a family and mine is reconciling and healing. How did we get this far apart and is there hope when he doesn't want to communicate?

Communication and Patience

Hi Rick, My husband and I just had our 3rd group call and are enjoying the course and what we're learning. We've been married for 7.5 years and what brought us to the program is a cycle with Steve of pornography use accompanied by lying to me. It first sprouted about 3 years into our marriage when he finally confessed to me what he'd been dealing with (looking at pictures online, masturbation, looking at porn trailers in his hotel rooms on business trips, double takes at women, looking at mag covers in airports). We started major counseling with an amazing pastor at our church and Steve got to a place where he was living in the light for a few months and I thought we were healing. Then 6 months later he confessed again. Then we started the process again and a year later he confessed again to months and months of the same. Meanwhile we'd be having deep conversations about sin, our healing, and working on total transparency but in actuality he was completely lying to me. On his side he would be going along in honesty but one day sin, and then be very fearful about telling me about his fall due to fear of my reaction (I've dealt with major anger towards this sin and Steve's temptation towards it in the past and have been really ugly in my response - which I've been working on with God over the years). Based on that fear and desire to make the sin just go away, he would choose to lie to me once, then repeat the sin, then lie to me...every day for months and months and months. What brought us to the course is that after the last round of all this coming out a year ago when I was 5 months pregnant, it was so devastating and horrible and I truly thought it was over and that Steve finally had a changed heart. Early this January I caught him in his sin and once again he confessed to deep sin despite my hard work towards really wanting to know Steve and have grace on him in my responses. We separated for 3 weeks and are now trying to figure things out. One of the biggest challenges we're facing is that of what does healthy communication look like in our day to day life. Our pastor had previously told us that he wanted us to be each other's #1 advocate and be able to share when we're tempted and of course when we've sinned in order to have support and prayer from one another in an intimate way. Our Pastor also outlined that the focus of our conversations should not be sin, but rather how we're doing in life and how we're seeking Jesus/growing in Him. I thought this was happening for the past year but Steve was lying during all those conversations telling me that God had taken the temptation away. Steve now says that he feels that during those conversations he thinks that while I was asking mainly questions about his life/Jesus/etc, that I was REALLY only interested in knowing about the sexual temptation/sin, which he feels is just overwhelming and wrong of me, and he felt policed by me. I genuinely was trying to get to know him and not just focus on the sin, although when it did come up I would have a very sad or pained reaction often. Now we're back at ground zero and Steve is telling me that male accountability is one of the biggest missing links in his life. He plans to share his temptation with some close guys weekly and/or daily, and has told me that he does not want to share temptation with me as he says "it has not worked and there's too much temptation to lie to you for fear of your reaction to my temptation, but it's easier to be honest with my guy friends". He's also told me that he thinks it's unhealthy to share his temptation with me and that it exposes me to too much and puts too much burden on me. Meanwhile I want to know Steve, the good and the bad, and I'm someone who really needs information to feel intimate and in trust with someone. We are at a pretty major standstill both trying to figure out what to do. Steve gets pretty aggressive and defensive when I press him on the topic which lead to an awful day and a HUGE argument yesterday with A LOT of emotion. Additionally Steve not only told me that he doesn't know if he needs to share temptation with me, but he even said during our counseling appt with our pastor yesterday, "I don't even know that I need to share a double take with you. There is a huge difference between a brief double take at a woman running vs. me actually clicking on porn online, and I don't know if it's really that helpful to tell you every single sexual sin and I don't really even know if a double take is that bad/or a sin." He told me that he feels totally convicted to let me know if he commits a more major sexual sin, but not so sure about the smaller ones. I was completely stunned and totally spun out for the rest of the day. Can you share your thoughts on what a good example of weekly or daily communication on temptation and sin can look like in our situation? If you could be specific and maybe give actual examples that would be very helpful, because Steve is very hung up on 1)whether or not to share temptation at all with me, 2)how much sin he should share with me, 3) if he does share how much detail should he go into specifically. Thank you for pouring yourself into this ministry, I deeply appreciate how God is using you in this way.

Q&A

Yep, AR I would like those questions answered too!

Jana

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