Rick Reynolds, LCSW
by Rick Reynolds, LCSW
Founder & President, Affair Recovery

When Should You Stop Talking About the Affair?

Couples often ask: "When should we stop talking about this?" For the unfaithful spouse, the question can be rooted in confusion and impatience as they're emotionally exhausted from having to relive the pain of their betrayal. For the betrayed spouse, the question can be rooted in a desire to know they aren't crazy for continually going back to repeated conversations in the past, as they continue to make sense of it all in the present.

An unfaithful alumnus of our program answered this question in this way: "She gets to do that as long as she wants; I have forever lost the right to say, 'Why can't you get over this yet?'" This is one of my favorite quotes from one of our EMS alumni couples. What struck me about these words was the fact that he wasn't asking "when do we stop talking about it" but rather was concerned and wanted to provide a safe place for his mate to heal.

Last August, we repeated the survey Peggy Vaughn conducted in 2002 for betrayed spouses but also added a survey for those who strayed. I was fascinated to see that when we used multivariate logistical regression (sophisticated data analysis), one of the primary factors associated with the decision to stay married was how long the couple talked about the infidelity! This was also the factor that predicted whether a relationship really improved and grew into something better than before.

That statistic made me question why a couple would stop talking about it. I've realized there are a few key reasons why people stop talking about the infidelity, and it's helpful for us to know those reasons.

1. Lack of Knowledge

Our analysis revealed something powerful. Couples are 36% more likely to stay married when they thoroughly discuss the whole situation. One of the worst things a therapist can do is to tell couples to stop talking about the situation. Sadly, this is very common among therapists. Perhaps it's because of their own discomfort or the instability that honest and vulnerable conversations create. Of the couples who reported talking about the infidelity completely, 27% of them reported having a marriage better than before. When you understand these facts, why would anyone stop talking about it?

2. Lack of Compassion

Lack of compassion often comes from misguided attempts at self-protection. One of my biggest regrets from my time of acting out in my own marriage was the gaslighting that I perpetrated against Stephanie. I convinced her that she was jealous, untrusting, and paranoid, all in a lame attempt to protect my own shame and secret behavior. It left my wife trying to figure out what her reality was and what was our history? The only way she could begin to connect all of the dots was by me giving her the information she needed.

The only way Stephanie could rebuild her trust in me came from my willingness to trust her with the information. Telling someone to just get over it is controlling the flow of information for your own protection, but this approach lacks any sort of love. A marriage can be better than ever if trust is rebuilt.

You can never be loved unconditionally if you're conditionally letting your mate know who you are.

3. Shame

For those of us who strayed, it's natural to feel remorse, guilt, and shame for what our actions have cost our mate. However, when shame becomes about who we are rather than a feeling of conviction about what we did, it makes us 100% totally self-centered. Rather than being able to have compassion for our mate, we try to avoid our shame by refusing to talk about it. In fact, we may go beyond that and make it all about us and how lousy we are, so they essentially have to throw a rope down the well to pull us up. Instead of our partner getting what they need to heal, they need to help us. Many wayward partners misunderstand the motive behind the betrayed spouse's continued need to talk about it. When you answer those questions, you communicate that you care about their healing. It allows attachment to develop again.

4. Misunderstanding Your Mate's Motive

Many wayward partners believe their mate keeps talking about it to punish or trap them. In reality, that's rarely the case. Wayward spouses, when your mate asks a question and you genuinely answer, it lets them know that you care and that they matter to you. It's that question-answer discussion process that begins to slowly rebuild the attachment between the two of you.

I was talking to a couple and the wife shared that she recently had a random thought about a person her husband had talked about during his disclosure 2 years prior. When he asked if she had any triggers lately, she mentioned this particular person and the fact that she couldn't shake her curiosity about the nature of their interactions. Without being defensive, he answered her questions. She wasn't trying to trap him; she was just trying to get something off her mind.

Back to the Initial Question

So, back to the initial question, when should you stop talking about it? With one exception, the frequency of discussing the infidelity fades over time. There are two factors that determine the speed with which this fade occurs.

  1. The first factor is the wayward spouse's willingness to answer their mate's questions. Resistance to talking about it on the wayward spouse's part is only going to prolong the healing process. For most couples, the frequency of talking about it begins to subside somewhere between 16 and 24 months as new, positive memories are made.
  2. The second factor that determines how long a couple talks about it is the magnitude of the betrayal trauma. If the betrayed spouse is suffering from Complex Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (CPTSD), then talking about it could go on potentially for years. It's not uncommon for me to meet someone who continues to re-experience the infidelity as if it happened yesterday, even when it was six years ago. The problem with those types of trauma memories is that every time they're triggered, they go back to the moment that the psychic wound occurred and relive it even though years have passed.

Even when the wayward spouse is able to continue to patiently answer questions out of genuine care and concern, this will not heal traumatic memories in people with CPTSD. In this extreme situation, the betrayed spouse has to accept the reality that they will need some additional support to process the trauma.

The Better Question: Is it Constructive or Destructive?

Maybe the answer to, "When should you stop talking about it?" lies in whether talking about it is constructive or destructive. For the average couple, it's going to be a topic of conversation for probably 1, 2, or 3 years, but the frequency will diminish over that time. To measure the benefit, ask yourselves, "Why are we still talking about it?" and "How does talking about it help us move forward into our new life?" Remember, the ultimate goal isn't just to talk about it; it's to build a better life—together.

If you want to find productive ways to talk about it, consider taking our EMS Weekend or EMS Online. Working alongside experts and other couples who understand is the most effective way to facilitate healing.

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Complex PTSD treatment?

You mention that someone with complex PTSD needs additional treatment. What would that look like? Can you recommend some modalities or treatment approaches so I can help my wife heal?

Your heart to help your wife

Your heart to help your wife heal is wonderful. The best approach for CPTSD would be to speak with a professional. There are a number of clinical professionals who work with Affair Recovery and any of them would be an excellent resource to help you navigate these hard topics. I myself dealt with PTSD symptoms after disclosure (hypervigilance, insomnia, lack of focus, intrusive thoughts, nighmares, avoidance, feeling numb, anxiety, headaches, etc) that felt debilitating. Working with a professional helped me get my feet back under myself and allowed me to continue moving forward in my recovery. Here is some addtional information:

Thanks for reaching out to our team for therapist/counseling resources.  We understand the complexity and overwhelming nature of your pain and would be happy to make some suggestions that both our team and our clients/participants have found to be helpful.  Please note while we cannot give a specific recommendation for a therapist in your area, we can provide contact info for the EMS Weekend counselors, as well as ways to search in your area.

Just below you'll find information about our therapists that facilitate our EMS Weekends.  If you have not attended one of our weekend intensives and would like more information you can find it here: https://www.affairrecovery.com/product/ems-weekend.  While we know you're inquiring about a traditional approach to infidelity or addiction, we'd highly suggest considering our EMS weekend.  More than 95% of the couples who've attended EMS Weekend have found it to be a healing experience and an effective way to find expert care from therapists who have been through infidelity personally and have treated it and/or specialized in it for decades.  Many participants find the intensives to actually be more effective than traditional models of counseling due to the expertise of our therapists.  This article on our site will explain more: https://www.affairrecovery.com/newsletter/founders/infidelity-counseling

Crossroads Counseling | 512-346-9299
This is where many of our Clinical Professional Contributors have their private practices including:

Rick Reynolds
Dr. John Mark Haney
Wayne Baker
Leslie Hardie
Brett Hart
Crossroads Counseling, separate from Affair Recovery, is the only way to get in touch with the above therapists.

Lisa Hanusch:  lisa@lisahanuschphd.com | 512-814-5472
Leigh Ashley:  leigh@leighashleymft.com | 512-550-8889
Laurie Bryson:  laurie@brysoncounseling.com | http://brysoncounseling.com/ | 314-607-6922
Kristen Warren:  kristen@warrencounselors.com | 817-713-4112
Brad Warren:  brad@warrencounselors.com | 817-713-6209
Tracey Brock:  www.brocktransformationaltherapy.com | 512-364-8548
Jessica McDaniel:  jessica@mcdanielcounseling.com | www.mcdanielcounseling.com
Ryan McDaniel:  ryan@mcdanielcounseling.com | www.mcdanielcounseling.com
Job & Julie Lopez:  info@solacewc.com | 936-228-9115 
Peter Daniels:  peter@therapyworksatx.com | 737-341-1786

Note: Ryan & Jessica McDaniel may be accepting new in-person Austin-area clients only. 

Additional sites we recommend, should you wish to conduct your own search, in your city:

The American Psychological Association at https://locator.apa.org/, which can provide referrals in your area, or if you are interested in finding a qualified counselor who operates from a faith based perspective then call the American Association of Christian Counselors at 800-526-8673.

Trauma Treatment
EMDR: www.emdria.org
Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing 
Note: We recommend finding someone with 3 levels of training

ETT: https://www.etttraining.com/
Emotional Transformation Therapy
Note: We recommend finding someone with 3 levels of training

Internal Family Systems: ifs-institute.com
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 3 levels of training

Couples

EFT: iceeft.com
Emotional Focus Therapy
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 2 levels of training

Gottman: gottman.com
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 2 levels of training

IFIO: toniherbineblank.com
Intimacy From the Inside Out 
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 1 level of training

A few additional online resources you can check out (not affiliated with AffairRecovery.com):


We hope this information helps!

To healing,
The Hope-Now Team

Length of talking about it/CPTSD

You said 2 things factors that affect the time - 1 is the wayward spouse's willingness and the other is CPTSD. Wouldn't length and severity of infidelity be a factor. So for someone who had an affair or 2 or even three affairs it would be one thing. For me, the affairs were for 20 years, beginning at a year in when our first daughter was born and continuing until the final d day. More than 20 AP's were finally shared after multiple d days and so much real trauma in the actual discovery. We have done so much work and he has truly grown, but shouldn't this be a factor. There I so so much to consider and work through that the reminders are everywhere.

You're right

I wish I had said multiple factors. The impact of being betrayed is the same whether it's a one-night stand, pornography, multiple affairs over 20 years, or an emotional affair. Still, when things have occurred over an extended period, it takes longer to make sense of your history. Additionally, it appears that you had multiple disclosures. That results in CPTSD because it's trauma piled on top of another trauma. Thank you for your comment and for allowing me to add to my answer. - Rick

PTSD

We tried counseling immediately after the betrayl but only for a few months. This particular therapist did seem to help in my opinion. How do I find a therapist who specializes in this?. It's been 4 yrs and it still seems so fresh sometimes. I think I may have the complex pTSD.

Not all therapists are

Not all therapists are created equal and finding one who is trained to deal with issues related to infidelity, included PTSD, is so important. I myself benefited greatly from speaking with a professional, who was able to help me navigate the PTSD symptoms I was experiencing. There are a number of clinical professionals who work with Affair Recovery. Here is some additional information:

Thanks for reaching out to our team for therapist/counseling resources.  We understand the complexity and overwhelming nature of your pain and would be happy to make some suggestions that both our team and our clients/participants have found to be helpful.  Please note while we cannot give a specific recommendation for a therapist in your area, we can provide contact info for the EMS Weekend counselors, as well as ways to search in your area.

Just below you'll find information about our therapists that facilitate our EMS Weekends.  If you have not attended one of our weekend intensives and would like more information you can find it here: https://www.affairrecovery.com/product/ems-weekend.  While we know you're inquiring about a traditional approach to infidelity or addiction, we'd highly suggest considering our EMS weekend.  More than 95% of the couples who've attended EMS Weekend have found it to be a healing experience and an effective way to find expert care from therapists who have been through infidelity personally and have treated it and/or specialized in it for decades.  Many participants find the intensives to actually be more effective than traditional models of counseling due to the expertise of our therapists.  This article on our site will explain more: https://www.affairrecovery.com/newsletter/founders/infidelity-counseling

Crossroads Counseling | 512-346-9299
This is where many of our Clinical Professional Contributors have their private practices including:

Rick Reynolds
Dr. John Mark Haney
Wayne Baker
Leslie Hardie
Brett Hart
Crossroads Counseling, separate from Affair Recovery, is the only way to get in touch with the above therapists.

Lisa Hanusch:  lisa@lisahanuschphd.com | 512-814-5472
Leigh Ashley:  leigh@leighashleymft.com | 512-550-8889
Laurie Bryson:  laurie@brysoncounseling.com | http://brysoncounseling.com/ | 314-607-6922
Kristen Warren:  kristen@warrencounselors.com | 817-713-4112
Brad Warren:  brad@warrencounselors.com | 817-713-6209
Tracey Brock:  www.brocktransformationaltherapy.com | 512-364-8548
Jessica McDaniel:  jessica@mcdanielcounseling.com | www.mcdanielcounseling.com
Ryan McDaniel:  ryan@mcdanielcounseling.com | www.mcdanielcounseling.com
Job & Julie Lopez:  info@solacewc.com | 936-228-9115 
Peter Daniels:  peter@therapyworksatx.com | 737-341-1786

Note: Ryan & Jessica McDaniel may be accepting new in-person Austin-area clients only. 

Additional sites we recommend, should you wish to conduct your own search, in your city:

The American Psychological Association at https://locator.apa.org/, which can provide referrals in your area, or if you are interested in finding a qualified counselor who operates from a faith based perspective then call the American Association of Christian Counselors at 800-526-8673.

Trauma Treatment
EMDR: www.emdria.org
Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing 
Note: We recommend finding someone with 3 levels of training

ETT: https://www.etttraining.com/
Emotional Transformation Therapy
Note: We recommend finding someone with 3 levels of training

Internal Family Systems: ifs-institute.com
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 3 levels of training

Couples

EFT: iceeft.com
Emotional Focus Therapy
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 2 levels of training

Gottman: gottman.com
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 2 levels of training

IFIO: toniherbineblank.com
Intimacy From the Inside Out 
Note:  We recommend finding someone with 1 level of training

A few additional online resources you can check out (not affiliated with AffairRecovery.com):


We hope this information helps!

To healing,
The Hope-Now Team

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